Khawarij make takfeer of Keith Ellison
Least anyone think that the Maniac Brigade are fans of Keith Ellison, they have made takfeer of him.
But then again, in these peoples’ eyes, there are only about 15,000 Muslims world-side…all of them insane.
Why is Al Qaeda trash-talking Keith Ellison?
In January, Ellison, 43, will become America’s first Muslim congressman. The Minneapolis Democrat, who converted to Islam while in college, got 56% of his district’s vote in last Tuesday’s election.
But since his victory, Osama Bin Laden’s chattering goons have been jeering, not cheering.
In secret Internet chat rooms they call him “the first Jewish Muslim that goes to Congress.”
A lawyer and state legislator who will be Minnesota’s first black congressman, Ellison campaigned on social issues, not religion.
Jihadi pundits have said his election was just “a comedy,” and labeled him a “fool” trying to “deceive us.”
The messages have appeared in two jihadi chat rooms, according to the SITE Institute, a terrorism investigative group.
One chat room, called Al-Hesbah, is solidly tied to Al Qaeda Central, Bin Laden’s network, counterterrorism analysts say. Many Al Qaeda communiques first appeared on the site.
“He is one of them, [a] one-way ticket to Hell,” said one jihadist message about Ellison.
A posting in one forum said: “My God, if you have 1 billion Muslims like him, we shall [continue to] fight you as the Muslim fights the infidel.”
Ellison was at a rural retreat Friday and could not be reached for comment.
But his spokeswoman was not surprised by the negative comments in militant chat rooms.
“Why would Al Qaeda embrace Keith’s success? He’s the opposite of what they’re about,” said spokeswoman Bridget Cusick.
The fact that the lunatics consider Keith Ellison to be a non-Muslim should come as no surprise because they hold that voting in an election automatically makes one a Kaafir. Much less running in one.
Make no mistake about it. These Kharajee Bandits would kill Mr Ellison (and his wife and children) as fast - if not faster - than any other American. They seem to have nothing beating in their chests
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This has the subtle smell of Qawmiyya
Rasheed, what is “Qawmiyya”? Are you saying the Mr Ellison is a non-Muslim too?
Qawmiyya is nationalism and I think Rasheed is implying that Tariq is only defending Keith Ellison’s Islam because he is black but I am white and I will defend Keith Ellison’s Islam. I also agree with Tariq that these people attacking him are nuts that are a few french fries short of a happy meal
Qawmiyya huh? Is that what that smell is????
Verily, I could have sworn it was pretentiousness.
I looked at the link you provided about the rapes these people did in Algeria, these people are truly insane! In a way, it is a good sign for Keith Ellison that these people made takfeer of him.
WackyPaki, you make an excellent point
Keith Ellison had better be made of stern stuff for the days ahead; Muslims are coming at him, the neocons are going to come at him, and the cultural leftists are going to come at him. May allah guide and preserve our brother, I say.
May Allah guide brother Ellison on the right course, and may he forgive those that defame him, and show them the right course before they have to stand before Him in judgement.
Ya Haqq!
Whooa!!!!!!!!!!!! what ever happened to husna dhan
(Giving your brother the benefit of the doubt. “Most of Suspicion is sin….
Actually I was referring to the the takfiri’s many of them gave up the fallacy of Arab Nationalism to embrace this form of Machiavellian Philosophy but it seems the Nationalism is still alive and well within them that is what I was smelling here…
But hey “Brothers” thanks for the hasanat I need them
My bad Rasheed. I misunderstood
No worries it happens actually this is our problem a lot of times I think we jump the gun, most conflict happens as a result of a breakdown in communication. In this case my comment was vague but I think when vague comments are made before thinking the worst when in fact we should think the best… I think the reason most people assume the worst is because they have some of their own internal hangups that they are dealing with and just want a medium to unload their own internal crap on others… This is why you rarely find the scholars falling into this trap because they are seriously concerned with purifying their own hearts…Purification of the soul is a good place for all of us to start… In the meantime I will just push other peoples crap to the side it really makes me none
Subhan’Allah!
Whatever happened to simply disagreeing with someone’s politics and then moving on? Okay, they don’t like the fact that he’s in office. Well, okay, then. Get over it and move on and stop acting like every Muslim who doesn’t agree you is a kafir. Urgh!
Verily, it is pretentiousness.
Rasheed, Yes the comment was vague but I think most of us know you well enough (from your blog and other comments you have left on the blogosphere) to “read into what you meant”.
Now you want to come back and school us by quoting hadith and analyzing our psyche??? Puh-leeez! You are too much…
Seems like the only one that heard me was Umar…
You can’t really understand another person’s experience until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes
Shattered,
So you are now telling me what I meant… That is pretentious
In enigmatic words of Eric Lensherr, “Forget them, Charles. They no longer matter.” - Who says you can’t learn stuff from comics…
Rasheed,
Maybe I was wrong about what you “meant” and if that’s the case, my bad, but I still stand STRONG behind my comment about the way you come off.
When words get in the way…
Many of you will rejoice to know that I am retiring from the blogosphere, I have been contemplating this for a while and there are various reasons why. Every man has his enemies and detractors and if you speak from the heart people will always try to shut you down. This is a reality of life that I have come to accept, so it is not in cowardice or lack of fortitude but out of the realization that my efforts are being counterproductive. I have already forgiven those who harbor rancor and hate in their hearts, and I hold no grudges and love all of you for the sake of Allah…
May Allah cure what is ailing our hearts
Your Brother
Rasheed Moore
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I have spoken to many self-described moderate muslims who believe that the Quran should be the highest authority in the land and that every country, including the United States, should be governed by Islamic Shariah. Their “moderation” derives from the fact that they are willing to wait until such a change can be accomplished through democratic processes (basically, a reproductive - and immigration - jihad, as opposed to a military jihad). Does anyone at this forum know Ellison’s position on this issue? Does he believe that the Quran should be the highest authority in the land? - because the Quran certainly advocates such a position. Did anyone bother to ask him during his campaign? I welcome your opinions and your input . . . I assure you my response will be courteous.
Salaam alaykum.
I posted on my blog about Keith Ellison, and pointed to what the classical scholars said, but here are two pieces written by a brother many of us would call a terrorist. See this brother says Keith is an apostate outright. I myself think Keith is naive enough to believe he’ll make a difference, but will soon be an apostate after the proofs are made clear to him. The difference between myself and the other brother is that he makes a far better case then I do. He quotes the Qur’anic verses that speak to rulership and alliances.
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the disbelievers (Kafiroon). (5:44)
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust (Dhalimoon). (5:45)
Whosoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the rebellious (Faasiqoon). (5:47)Therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their vain desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you (i.e., Qur’an). (5:4
So judge between them by that which Allah has revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce you from some part of that which Allah has revealed (i.e., Qur’an) unto you. (5:49)
Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the reward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement! And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do. (2:85)
Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them,- the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes. This, because they said to those who hate what Allah has revealed, “We will obey you in part of (this) matter”; but Allah knows their (inner) secrets. (47:25-26)
O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for Awliyaa (protectors, helpers, and/or friends); they are Awliyaa of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them as Awliyaa, then surely he is one of them (i.e., Kafir); surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. (5:51)
O you who believe! Do not take for friends those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the disbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers. (5:57)
So, how can we blame the ‘nuts’ for calling Keith an apostate? They got Qur’anic verses to back them up! If you believe Keith is on the right track, then ask yourself how successful YOU think any non-violent, hand-holding revolution will be in implementing Shariah in the US? At some point it will come down to Umar Lee’s motto, turning the other cheek, but only to reach for your gun. Not that we’re bloodsthirsty, but that Allah’s Shariah is right and their democratic republic or communist taghut is wrong. AND did I mention they’re killing us Muslims? Keith may have allied himself with this system out of either naivety, but once the proof was established against him and he didn’t step down, explain to us with some daleel how he did NOT become an apostate!
To these people, anyone not in their group is an apostate which has many implications for them: my blood, wealth, and any women in the family are halal for them to rape.
Black Lion, I don’t see how you can read about what these people do (rapes, etc) and not say that they are nuts. They ARE insane and Islam is free from their evil.
I pray that Mr Ellison is kept safe from the likes of these people who would love nothing more than to shed his blood and rape his wife.
Where do I read about them committing rapes, though? I never heard about Mujahideen raping women. Without knowing about this from a source that’s trustworthy, why would I risk slandering mujahideen? Especially when I believe in jihad, physically, if that’s what it takes to make Allah’s word highest and establish justice. Not an Arab word or an Afghan word, but Allah’s word.
A source? Try the “mujahideen” themselves.
Look at the heartbreaking events in Algeria commited by these “mujahideen”. They made takfir of the women they raped (as with Mr Ellison) and made it permissible to take them them as “ghaneemah” (i.e., rape them)
Just simply take a look at some of their own writings in which they make arguments (quoting the Qur’an and hadith) to support things such as istihlaal al farooj and istihlal amwalul mushrikeen in which they make these evil acts halal for themselves. So I know this from THEIR OWN SOURCES, not any other my friend. Secondly, who do you suppose did all these rapes and murders - especially since these Khawarij owned up to them?
The UK’s Abu Hamza (the guy with the hook) made some of these arguments in his
lecturesinsane rantsThose that know me, have known that I have debated these points with these clowns since long before 9/11. Trust me: These Khawarij not only make the blood of Muslims halal, but also rape and stealing. This was the argument of the 9/11 hijackers who made the evil of 9/11 halal, but also credit card fraud, drinking alcohol (in the name of blending in) and sleeping with prostitutes (”ghaneemah”
all halal. This is all in the writings of their books. They do not disown it and this is not a conspiracy. These are the facts.
They are insane! They are insane! They are insane!
As I’ve said before, Blacklion seems like a smart enough brother who unfortunately has drank the jihadi/takfiri Kool-Aid. Inshallah, he’ll do like many reverts and calm down and wise up a bit before he takes part in some horrible act he can’t erase, or nullify his own shahadah by delaring takfir on a believer.
Everyone has Qur’anic verses. I can quote you a Qu’ranic verse and ‘prove’ to you that it is permissable to drink alcohol. So what?
However, what these people don’t have is fiqh. For example, al-Izz ibn Abdul Salam mentions in Qawaid al-Ahkam fi Masaleh al-Anam a situation where a Muslim land is captured and taken over by non-Muslims. He then ruled that the Muslims should, if given the opportunity, take up as many positions in government as they are able because this serves the general masalih and can prevent mafsada. There is no proviso that the system of government be “Islamic”. There are, of course, many more examples that one can provide.
Tariq, I’ll look for examples of their writings. I wasn’t aware of anything like that in Algeria, only that there is a fight due to mullified election.
DA, I drank the ‘jihadi’ kool-aid, but not the takfiri. I fear making takfir on a Muslim, but I also fear calling a non-Muslims a Muslim for good reasons. For that reason, I maintained that Keith Ellison may have meant well, though he should know better, and at some point the prrof is established for him, so he must resign Islam or his position, unless he is very sure that he actually can make changes that are substantial enough to justify him stauying in office. And I don’t know fiqh well enough to know what changes they may be. I do know that one representative has too little influence. Here’s an example. Representatives of largely Black ditricts signed a petition to block Bush from taking office after he failed to clearly win the 2000 elections. But it required signatures from Senators, too to be valid. Guess what? Not ONE Senator signed! An unelected Bush was still sworn in! And now he’s killing Muslims. Keith Ellison could have never won a senate seat which would make more difference, and even that would have been insufficient!
You think we can win by politics? Maybe when we have a military, openly pro-Shariah party and some pro-Shariah politicians. Maybe! But as it is now, Muslims are going the same way that African-Americans went in the civil rights struggle, towards complete self-destruction! And the samrt ones of us tried to warn the Muslims during the 2000 elections not to support Bush. We did it, anyway, and now we’re languishing in prisons and in Cuba as our Ummah abroad gets bombed.
Yes, I’m a convert, and I didn’t convert to Islam to oppress non-Muslims, nor did I convert to some watered-down, bobble-head Islam that many of us have! I want the real deal, bro! Taking authority and establishing a just state in which the People of the Book pay jizyah as applicable and live according to their religion in their communitites while we live by Shariah and fight against those who fight us until no one fights us anymore. And yes, I DO want Allah’s word to made highest all over the earth, in the interest of justice, not injustice!
Allah is always right, his enemies are wrong. So fight the oppressors, free the oppressors, and win in the way of Allah or die trying in the way of Allah! That goes for me as well as you all.
Black Lion:
I assume you live in the US. May I ask why you are here? Why not go to Saudi Arabia? Even if it is not Islamic enough for you, then you must agree that it is more Islamic than here? Is it because job opportunities are better here? Or maybe it is because you have the freedom to spout whatever you like here? If you want the “real deal” then why not stop talking about it and go live there? In the meantime, you look like a real hypocrite
Blacklion, you sound like a young and very new and excited convert that is over-excited about what’s in the books. I was there once and take it from me and concentrate on what is right in front of you before you look around and realize you have nothing.
I’m starting to think Black Lion is a little suspect. We just had a case here in TX where three young brothers were entrapped by the FBI. Basically an undercover FBI was mouthing the same “jihad” stuff and three brothers fell for it and now they are all in fed pen because they were just mouthing off like young men do but then they stepped over the line and this occured because they fell for this undercover FBI’s rhetoric. So anyone in dealing with Black Lion use caution.
Salaam everyone,
BL, you have a lot to learn. Use your time wisely.
Wa’Salaam
The Prophet (SAWS) fought exactly as much and as hard as he needed to. He secured the area of those who were a direct threat to his Ummah and then stopped. Those who constantly extoll Muslims to combat would do well to remember that, by all indications, Muhammad (saws) spent less than a week of his life in actual, violent combat, and then only after exhausting his other means. I believe Muslims do need to have guts and not be victims; however, reflexive violence and seperating the world into “us” and “them” in counter-productive. It’s also worth noting that there were Christians and Jews fighting beside the messenger long before it was advantageous to do so, including several ( a rabbi among them) who feel as shaheed on the battlefield, and the messenger at one point took a Jewish wife. I have met Christians and Jews who had hearts and minds to eternity, and Muslims who would have killed me in any other country for holding my arms wrong in prayer.
Salam alaykum wa rahmatullah.
Thank you for the advice OGCAL. I’ll contact you shortly, Insha’Allah. May Allah reward you for your defense of Muslims. You’re right, I don’t want Muslims to go the same path as other oppressed peoples.
Muslims, read Saff, ayah 10-13.
-Sincerely,
The Black Lion
As salaam Alikum , the only problem I have with or Brother Keith , is that he said in NPR radio program : that he did not have a problem with Gay marriage , , something to the fact , they have rights and if we want our rights we should defend their rights as will .
And Allah knows best.
Abdul Hakim,
Salam Alaikum
Look at it this way. To amend the constitution with a ban on gay marriage means that anything can be banned after that.
Take the gay marriage arguments that are presented by proponents of the ban and insert “Hijab” everywhere they mention gay marriage.
If the bill is passed to amend the constitution for gay mariage, that means that a precedent has been set, and they can then ban anything that they want after that.
So to oppose a ban on gay marriage is not the same as saying that one promotes gay marriage, you just don’t support the gov’t involving itself in peoples private affairs.
Salam Hood… I understand your argument, but that position is more of a libertarian position than anything else. I could extend the same argument then to drugs for instance. The reason they are against the law is because some people determined that they are “social ills”. Those who are against gay rights would put homosexuality in the same bloc of social ills.
It may be that Ellison is committed to a state Democratic charter that ‘forces’ him to have this position. Most freshmen candidates will not survive if they don’t have virtually 100% aligned positions to their party’s platform. So, I am not sure if this was even a choice, and being pro-life may have been a fatal position to take.
Please note there are “pro-life” Democrats. See here. But it is likely these are ‘entrenched’ politicians who can afford to take different positions.
I think Ellison’s election is good for Muslims as well. I hope inshallah that as he “settles down”, he will reevaluate his positions on many things including Israel, homosexuality, and others. May Allah help him help the Muslims of America.
Libertarian or not, the arguments made by proponents of the gay marriage ban amounted to nothing more than a “save the family” platform. Opponents countered with the facts, that legislation against gay marriage or the lack of does not affect the american family adversely positively or negatively, and as such is frivolous legislation to push an agenda of invading civil liberties.
Drugs can be argued to be different, in that the effects of drugs on crime and safety intrude on the individual freedoms guaranteed by the constitution, and endanger the public as a whole.
The bottom line is: the is more Benefit (Maslaha) in Muslim opposing such legislation than in supporting it. This would be very positivist in approach, but that is almost always the case in issues of social contract.
This does not mean that we support Gay marriage, we are simply against legislation that limits individual liberties.
How can a muslim agree to be quiet about something that he finds morally reprehensible and not try to regulate it? / How did the Messenger allow the Jews to deal with Riba in Medina unregulated, while dealing in riba in the islamic state is morally reprehensible?
You mentioned Pro-life. Does a Muslim have to be pro-life necessarily? (rhetorical question, there is difference about abortion)
We shouldn’t look at all of these issues in such a black/white paradigm, many things will be dictated by larger social benefit and simply can’t be dealt with in that manner.
It seems to me that of all the political ideologies on offer in the West, libertarianism is the one that best guarantees Muslim freedoms.
Amir said “It seems to me that of all the political ideologies on offer in the West, libertarianism is the one that best guarantees Muslim freedoms.”
Perhaps Amir, perhaps. The only problem is that like the Green party, it only has marginal appeal. Its not going anywhere too fast…
True. The Libertarian Party will naturally find it hard (and I don’t think their intention or expectation is to win office so much as to influence public debate and bring their ideas to the fore), but I think libertarian or libertarian-leaning candidates within the Republican Party are more viable. For example, Ron Paul.