The Khawarij are a sect of blood thirsty and deranged murders and rapists who have no regard for life whether Muslim or non-Muslim. Some are trying to point to this attack to impune Islam, but these people are not pointing out the fact that those killed were Muslim. Muslims are much MORE likely to be killed by these lunatics than non-Muslims.
They would kill me and my children on site with no questions asked and think they are doing something correct. One of the, Jean-Marc Bonnet, was a convert to Islam. They don’t care, he was from the West and therefore it was permissible to kill him in their deranged minds.
The people killed in this attack outside of Madinah were Muslims. They do not even respect the sanctity of Islam’s Holy cities and have tried on several occasions to kill Muslims going to visit Makkah
The three widows of the Frenchmen killed by unidentified gunmen on Monday, as well as two children of one of the women, returned to France yesterday, said Alain Guepratte, a spokesman of the French Embassy.
The spokesman did not provide any details on the investigation into the killings where unidentified gunmen opened fire with Kalashnikovs on a group of nine who were taking a roadside break on the Tabuk-Madinah highway.
The French Embassy has reiterated its standing travel recommendations for its nationals in Saudi Arabia, namely “of prudence, of discretion, of strict respect for the dress code, and of limiting their movements.” There are approximately 3,600 French nationals residing in the Kingdom, and the embassy is urging them to avoid unnecessary travel.
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Some reports claim the attackers, who are still at large, asked their victims their nationality before gunning down three men, including Jean-Marc Bonnet and his 17-year-old son Mubarak, both French-Moroccan Muslims. Funeral prayers were held for the two at the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah on Tuesday.
Filed under: Convert Issues, The Culture of Denial and Pretense
La hawla wa la quwwata illa billah wa inna lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raji’oon. May Allah have mercy on them and send upon their families patience through such a hard trial.
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (radhiyallahu ‘anhu) said: A man came to the Messenger of Allaah (sallallahu ‘alayhi wasallam) and said, “O Messenger of Allah, what do you think if a man comes wanting to take my property?” He said, “Do not give him your property.” He said, “What if he fights me?” He said, “Fight him.” He said, “What if he kills me?” He said: “Then you will be a martyr.” He said, “What if I kill him?” He said, “He will be in Hell.” [Narrated by Muslim (140)]
As Imaam Ahmad (rahimahullah) said, “The Khawaarij are an evil people, I do not know of a people on the earth more evil than them.”
Their claim is that the country is not ruling by the sharee’ah and so it is a government of disbelief… so now let us see them rule by the sharee’ah on their own selves and step forward and admit their guilt. I doubt this will happen instead there will be excuses made or denial and they will stand by their accusation of takfeer with the evidence being that they gave their allegiance to the French government as citizens of the country and therefore are kuffar (??!! - yes people have actually said this).
More empty slogans that have plagued the Ummah in the disguise of solutions.
Subhanallah.. One slogan calls us to pack our bags at this very minute and move to Saudi Arabia and if not then we are guilty of not making hijrah and therefore under threat of punishment from Allah as stated in the Qur’an. Meanwhile the other slogan calls us to be murdered in cold blood once we get there and are living as muhaajireen in the name of Tawheed and ruling by the sharee’ah… I ask Allah to protect us in the times of great fitan that we are living in and to guide us all to the Straight Path.
A few minutes later and now I just came across this article too. I heard the stuff about “boycotting a Muslim who sits with Ahl al-Bid’ah” but this is taking it a bit too far in the same style of the Khawaarij. Actually it wouldn’t surprise me if some of those who are into the boycotting thing excessively would take it this far if they knew they could get away with it like these people. If they are willing to violate each others honor and wealth in the name of defending Salafiyyah and the Sunnah, then violating someone’s blood shouldn’t be too big of a deal either but the threat of punishment is what holds most of them back I think.
Allah knows best to the truth of the details and truth behind the story but as we see in history and recent events such as the above one it would not be a surprise at all. I am reminded of how appropriate is the title of the book by Shaykh ‘Abdul-Muhsin al-’Abbaad - With Which Intellect and Religion can Suicide Bombings and Destruction be Considered Jihaad?
O Allah protect us all from these trials!
Tariq, there can be no real resolution to the problem of the modern day-khawarij without addressing the underlying problem: the hideous oppression carried out by the governments of Muslim countries.
I don’t support the khawarij at all, but likewise neither do i believe they dropped out of the clear blue sky (and i’m not saying that you believe that either).
Kashif, the Khawarij were not satisfied with the rule of Uthman and Ali how on earth can we expect them to be satisfied with those that are much less? You could give them everything they want and they will still slaughter. The answer to this problem is education and attachment to the ulamaa and not to
Sh Rabee said the following:
Abdul Malik ibn Marwan was an oppressive ruler and he killed Abdullah ibn Az- AzZubair and his commander destroyed the kaba; and Abdullah ibn Umar gave him the pledge of allegiance after all that. And the Sahaba (companions of the Prophet, peace and blessing are upon him) that were present gave him the pledge of allegiance. By ALLAH, he was oppressive may ALLAH have mercy upon him, he had some good with him and he had some merits and he conquered some lands for the Muslims and he had some jihad; but by ALLAH he was an oppressive tyrannical ruler. And the Messenger of ALLAH peace and blessings are upon him, taught, taught, taught; and the text can be found in Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukari and other than that.
“Obey them as long as they establish the prayer amongst you. (Obey them) in that which you like and dislike. He (the Prophet peace and blessings are upon him) said, “Obey them as long as they establish the prayer amongst you”. They said, “Shall we not make war against them with our swords?” He (the Prophet, peace and blessings are upon him) said, “No, as long as they pray.”
Oppressive rulers, but despite this the Prophet, peace and blessings are upon him, ordered (the Muslims) to be patient with them and he did not allow rebelling against them. And the one that rebels against them (the rulers) has rebelled against the Muslims and the one that rebels should be killed even if he rebelled against an unjust ruler.
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By Allah we from amongst the common people are getting what we deserve as we are just as oppressive with each other as any of the rulers. Many of the people complaining of the rulers do not even make salaah and sell the haraam. The problem lies with us as the gov’t reflect us. What does it say that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, allowed us to fight and even kill the Khawarij, but not the oppresive ruler? Is it because of the great bloodshed and massive fitnah?
This is one of the reasons, that although my wife is Saudi, we would never live there. These people are the greatest threat to Islam today. Their actions prove it.
Sad to say, but I think sooner or later those Muslims who do not support their line will have to unite and do battle against them.
What happened to just plain crazy?
Why do we feel the need to have to use classical labels and select our labels from historically pre-defined categories? Some guy said so-n-so - he must be of The Mu’tazilah…some speaker said such-n-such - verily he must be from amongst the Murji’ah. They are Qadariyyah. They shot up a bunch of innocent folks…they must be from the Khawarij…verily they did the same thing to ‘Uthman and ‘Ali and yadda yadda…
c’mon man…what happened to plain old crazy. You legitamize it when you give them a label. I mean, why do we HAVE to find SOME arabic sounding category when some muslims do or say something stupid? THose guys call themselves the same thing many of you commenters and bloggers call yourselves…Salafi, Ahlul-Hadeeth, Ahlus-sunnah w’al-jama’ah, Sunni, etc…When has anyone called themselves Khawarij? Everyone calls everyone else what no one claims to be. Follow this to its logical conclusion and you either have no KHawarij or all of us are. You either have no ‘Ahlus-Sunnah or all of us are.
Since we cannot come up with an original thought on our own, when some idiot does something clearly deranged and stupid, we still cannot escape our small, myopic world of darus-salam textbooks and HAVE to call them something classical sounding. Hmmm…they robbed a store and shot some folks…well, they simply can’t be just criminals…since they’re Muslims (and especially in SA) we have to call them something official sounding….Khawarij…then link these peons historically to the conflict of the tabi’een…gimme a break!
In the neighborhood I grew up in, when some criminals do the same thing, we don’t religiously label them something pretentious sounding (so that we can impress people with our grasp of Islamic history and all of it’s arabic terminology)..we call them thugs, criminals…and CRAZY.
Rashad, these people have a group and a leadership. We’re not just talking about random violence here, but an ideology. No they don’t call themselves that, but that is what they are. The Prophet peace and blessing be upon him said that the Khawarij would be amongst us until the last are with Ad-Dajjal
Br Rashad -
I am not sure whether or not your comments are directed towards me. In any case I would ask you to not be hasty in judging me or any one of your brothers and sisters that you do not even know and have never even met as:
- unable to escape their small, myopic world of darus-salam textbooks and have to call something classical sounding
- using pretentious labels to impress people with my grasp of Islamic history or not and all of it’s Arabic terminology
- etc.
I have never heard that the Khawaarij are purely a historical movement and that it is not suitable for anyone today to have this label applied to them. Have you? (Or is this because I am not able to “come up with an original thought on my own?” May Allah forgive us.) I think the difference between how you are looking at this crime compared to others is that you are seeing it as an isolated incident with no previous, identical cases - like you menetion with the robbery example. But others, such as myself, see this crime occurring after years of calls to “expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula” along with tons of websites, videos and books promoting this call. For example, one recent call just occurred soon before these people were murdered - may Allah forgive them and grant them al-Firdaws.
If you look at this crime in light of the other handful of crimes that have occurred over the past few years I don’t think you will find it too “pretentious” to see this as related to the Khawaarij ideologically wise. Which is why scholars in that country, and even outside of that country, have referred to it as such or is it the case that all of them are also unable to think out of their small, myopic world of darus-salam textbooks and trying to sound pretentious and impress people with their grasp on Islamic history by calling some people who are only crazy with the historical label of the “Khawaarij?” Why can’t it be the case that they are both crazy and from the Khawaarij?
Do you really think it is far-fetched that a group of people, or one person, who was motivated by recent calls to kill foreigners went out and found some people whom they may have thought, even if accidently, were mushrikeen? Is this really too impossible to imagine? It has already happened before except the people ended up being non-Muslims and so it did not reach this level. I’m not sure what Muslim countries you have visited but I have seen myself strange looks given when you tell them you are from America, along with the question, “There’s Muslims in America?” Don’t overestimate the intelligence of the average angry, upset Muslim who is anxious to do anything they have been told will bring some relief to the Ummah regardless of how crazy and baseless it is.
Br Rashad I always enjoy reading your comments but there is a time and place for everything. I do believe that we are all on the same page here, or at least close to it, and just have a different way of expressing it. I don’t think that you intended for your words to be as attacking and hurtful as they were but I guess I just wish that after reading this news that there would be some husn adh-dhann and kindness for one another rather than hastiness to place people you don’t even know into categorizations when your entire comment is against that. Not every post on this blog and the other blogs has to be turned into an opportunity to attack the “pretentious, verily” personality when it has absolutely nothing to do with that. You are making assumptions about people and their beliefs and outlooks on life and Islam and you have never even met them or talked to them before. Not everyone who posts something that “looks Islamic” or uses Arabic words is your stereotypical model of someone trying to show off and impress others while they use the word “verily” excessively. This is just my advice but it’s best that you leave that. Really there is no need for us to talk to each other in an insulting manner. I hope we can get past this and talk to each other as brothers. I know this comment of mine may be guilty of the same thing and I apologize for that and Allah knows best.
May Allah forgive us all and make us among those in the Hereafter about whom He says in the Qur’an: “And We shall remove from their hearts any deep feeling of bitterness (that they may have). (So they will be like) brothers facing each other on thrones.” (15:47)
Again, Leader or no…what ever happened to just crazy? Whether they fit the profile of a pre-categorized label or not. I really do not care what “scholars” call them…what do they call themselves? Do “they” not have their own “scholars”? My point is this. ALL of our labeling, commenting, hadeeth and scholar quoting is purely subjective. It’s “us” centric - whoever “us” happens to be. But every group has their scholars to justify what they do. So to say that THE scholars have called them so-n-so…minimizes the real issue and that is from our own limited perspective, we see “other” groups as fringe and can label them so. To the point where going all the way back to terms like “khawarij”. WE over complicate something as obvious as some guys who are obviously unhinged think that THEY are justified in wanton killing. Despite being connected to others like themselves and having a leader or leaders. FYI - in the future, don’t waste time trying to advise me of anything over a blog - I don’t accept the premise. Agree or disagree but keep the advice.
Rashad, basically what you are saying is relativism. How do we determine right from wrong if everything is so subjective? Do you deny that we are in a battle for hearts and minds? Is there no correct within Islam? If there IS a correct, then there is no subjective and we can declare certain groups to be on the fringe. If everything is relative, as you say, then you are right.
I just think we need to go back and re-tool our argument against this mentality (of violence). I agree with the commentors in spirit by the way…I was disagreeing with the premise of using “khawarij” as a term for any naiive group of youngsters who have had the wool pulled over their eyes by some slickster and now engages in senseless violence. Once we get into ideological labeling, it becomes murky and muddled for eveyone. Who exactly are the khawarij becomes a matter of my proofs are bigger than yours and we go no where (again) and solve nothing (again).
There are “elements” of craziness in every masjid. Like the brother I used to consider a friend saying “al-hamdulillah” when he saw the twin towers fall (WTH?!) Or the Shaykh in qunoot at a “mainstream” masjid basically making du’a for the same stuff that the “khawarij” are doing…yet ideologically, this same shaykh can explain why the those who fit the historical and generic term “khawarij” are wrong. It’s like some weird kind of dance that we have become accustomed to doing to try to sidestep our underlying problems. We keep the shaykh employed, no one objects to his ideological “khurooj” because he pulls on our heartstrings from the minbar by mentioning Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq, Somalia, etc. But isn’t this how it starts in the first place? Isn’t this how lunatics recruit otherwise sensible and rational people? BY tugging on our heartstrings with tales of oppression of the believers. So where do we start? How do we make these gray areas black and white? How do we walk the fine line of believing in supporting oppressed Muslims and not falling into believing that indiscriminate violence is justified? Like I said, to the outsider, we can all make a case for our positions. The way we can show how serious we are is to reject these Imams from overseas who bring this hostility into our masjids. WE can object to them during the halaqah. We can have our shura boards fire them. We can’t have our cake and eat it too. We call others “khawarij” but we have right here in our midst Imams who call those who are blowing up their own countrymen in Iraq “mujahideen” - they call suicide bombers in Palestine “mujahideen”. And it goes on and on and it speaks directly to our credibility as a whole and how serious we really are when it comes to confronting this sick mentality.
Rashad, I didn’t see your last comments when I posted and I see your point bro.
As salaam alaikum.
I write.
Inshallah come by when you have some time to read.
Wa salaam,
nuh ibn
all of you Ah-Kees got a lot of time on your hands to be writin’ such long responses…
we don’t have to refer to such senseless killing as somehow being the work of the “Khawarij” or any other insidious sect for that matter…the term itself is loaded and not needed in this instance.
This use of such loaded terminology reminds me of brothers who loosely throw out the word “Fitnah” every few minutes…
“Your causin’ FITNAH Ah-Kee…don’t speak badly about Hamza Yusuf”
“Awww man! They aint got no toilet paper in the Masjid bathroom. This is FITNAH!”
I don’t want the point to be missed here and that it that these people (takfeeris/criminals/khawarij/whatever) are EVIL and are a danger to Muslims too.
Rashad alluded to it and that is that we should NOT defend these people or even give the slightest impression that these people are heros or “mujahideen”. By calling them “Khawarij” (trust me, I want to call them a lot worse than that!) I am making the point that these people are not to be supported and not to be praised in any way shope form or fashion and the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wa salam) has said as much as well. Far far too many brothers directly or indirectly support the actions of these madmen. They do not deserve our support. Not even an atom’s weight worth of it.
There is no place in Islam for rape, steal, murder, cutting off heads and such nonsense and Insha Allah I will continue to shout from the mountain tops, say it to non-Muslims at forums and everyone that will listen that THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE LUNATICS that deserve to be fought and defeated and I will do everything in my limited power to stop them from pulling the wool over people’s eyes and getting young people to do stupid and EVIL things in the name of Islam. When we find someone that leans towards these people (??) we should tell them that these people are lunatics in the strongest terms possible and I encourage all of you to do the same
I completely agree. It is known though one person’s kharji is another’s mujahid. And one person’s ruler is another person’s mushrik. Another example is when a brother whom I know and I know for a fact that he is non-violent in his nature and one of the nicest brothers you could ever meet - sent me (on my job no less) links to several websites supporting “Shaykh” Usaamah and “Shaykh” Ayman and so forth and thought that he and I were on the same page because in his opinion, these loonies were fighting for the cause of oppressed Muslims around the world. Anyone here remember the ‘Clear Guidance’ forum? Yeah that one. You had otherwise educated and knowledgable brothers totally convinced that the manner in which these bandits were behaving and the acts that they were committing were legit. And these weren’t fringe brothers per se’. They were your average bros that you pray with and eat with everyday. They knew and understood ‘aqeedah and Islamic history as well as anyone else and they often acknowledged that there was and is and will be Khawarij - BUT IT WASN’T SHAYKH USAAMAH AND HIS SUPPORTERS. Again the Muslim two step.
Oh and I was quoting them when I said “Shaykh” Usaamah so I hope no one gets the impression that was my statement.
I have NO clue who Kharajees are and what it means. I first heard on this blog, and I’m deeply confused!
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