This guy (who has posted more than a few insane rants here) is openly expressing his love of terrorism and other blood thirsty mad men who promote ‘istihlalul farooj’ (making the private parts halal…i.e., RAPE) in an interview with the NY Times. These young clowns are an embarrassment to the rest of us who live in the real world.
Turns out that he is the typical “internet jihadee” who is young, unmarried, lives in a community where there are not many Muslims and writes from his parents’ basement. Can’t they put him on punishment or something?
Unlike Mr. bin Laden, the blogger was not operating from a remote location. It turns out he is a 21-year-old American named Samir Khan who produces his blog from his parents’ home in North Carolina, where he serves as a kind of Western relay station for the multimedia productions of violent Islamic groups.
In recent days, he has featured “glad tidings” from a North African militant leader whose group killed 31 Algerian troops. He posted a scholarly treatise arguing for violent jihad, translated into English. He listed hundreds of links to secret sites from which his readers could obtain the latest blood-drenched insurgent videos from Iraq.
His neatly organized site also includes a file called “United States of Losers,” which showcased a recent news broadcast about a firefight in Afghanistan with this added commentary from Mr. Khan: “You can even see an American soldier hiding during the ambush like a baby!! AllahuAkbar! AllahuAkbar!”
Mr. Khan, who was born in Saudi Arabia and grew up in Queens, is an unlikely foot soldier in what Al Qaeda calls the “Islamic jihadi media.” He has grown up in middle-class America and wrestles with his worried parents about his religious fervor. Yet he is stubborn. “I will do my best to speak the truth, and even if it annoys the disbelievers, the truth must be preached,” Mr. Khan said in an interview.
[...]
He also befriended members of the Islamic Thinkers Society, a tiny group that promotes radical, nonviolent Islam by leafleting in Times Square and Jackson Heights, Queens. [Entire Article]
It is amazing how a tiny group of nutters with a lot of time on their hands can draw so much attention because of the totally outrageous crap they put out. They are trying to convince Muslims that Islam is about bloodshed, murder, rape and chaos. Who would want to be a part of such a “religion”?
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How very typical he is. Lives in the (kafir) US, under his (kafir?) parents’ roof, spending his time online, without much of an outside life. He’s like a Muslim Kip (from Napoleon Dynamite).
We often ask the ultra-conservatives why they aren’t in Iraq, fighting this noble war, we should ask him the same. If he’s got all the hookups, there’s definitely a way for him to get there. And he’s the perfect guy for it, young, spry, angry, lost.
He’ll get much closer to his “inshallah shaheed” goal over there - he can’t be seeing much action in his parent’s basement.
[...] light of that, I found this post (via Tariq Nelson) in which a misguided youth living in his parents’ basement has been outed [...]
Man, I remember when I used to debate with this guy on internet forums back in the day - seems he has gone even further off the rails since then. I feel sorry for those who get sucked in to this type of thinking regarding Islam…
Keep up the good work Tariq!
We use good friends. I hung out with him for a week. It’s really sad and depressing to hear how he is now and his current beliefs. He was such a nice brother, mashaAllah. Now he’s just a lost brother in need of true guidance. May Allah guide him. Ameen!
We use to be*
“he can’t be seeing much action in his parent’s basement.”
Probably true either way you look at it.
i’m at a loss of words about the state of our ummah.
this is a man who has been exposed to the wrong crowd of muslims and unfortunately has been severely misguided. what upsets me most is that his actions and the actions of those who think like him give all of us normal, middle-path muslims out there a horrible name.
and when everyone wants to sit around and rant about why non-Muslims hate us, remember that it is our fault. it is our fault that we can’t unite our own people and correct their mistakes and misunderstandings. so before we hate on non-muslims for hating on us, we need to fix ourselves and educate each other so that everyone out there understands what the true islam is about.
NYTimes article: jihad blogging
Samir Khan, if he ever decides to move out of his parent’s house, is a threat to the US.
This story shows the importance of reaching out to the youth so that they do not get caught in these evil extremes.
[...] Tariq wrote: It is amazing how a tiny group of nutters with a lot of time on their hands can draw so much attention because of the totally outrageous crap they put out. They are trying to convince Muslims that Islam is about bloodshed, murder, rape and chaos. Who would want to be a part of such a “religion”? [...]
[...] in the NY Times October 16th, 2007 — Dr Esam Omeish I denounce in the strongest terms the disturbed youth who gave the chilling interview in the New York Times supporting terrorism and mayhem against our [...]
It is possible this young man is suffering from a mental illness.
Either way I can have nothing but complete disdain from someone who perverts the religion, not to mention lives at home supported by his mother and father, whilst exhorting others to fight and die.
Abu Sinan, there are people on this forum that believe he is innocent and from what poster Arabesque (who has repeatedly on the forum supported al-Qaeda with full support from the moderators) said about his postings being “reasonable”, there are a lot of fellow Muslims who post on such forums as UmmahForums and IslamicAwakening that support what he claims.
I’m on all 3 of those forums. There are Muslims who just like to type out there frustration, but the reality is, they don’t actually believe in what they type. They are young Muslims who are being “rebellious”. It’s fun for some of them.
This Arabesque person doesn’t have much to rebel while living in the Persian Gulf, does she?
I’ve seen some vile disgusting posts come out of Islamicaweb (which supposedly is “moderate”) and honestly, I don’t really blame non-Muslims for having suspicion of us.
MR, I agree with you for the most part, but I have a hard time belieivng that “they don’t actually believe in what they type”. You remember a brother from Chicago named Omar, who went under the screen name Mr_GQ? I rest my case.
Them not believing what they type shouldn’t make them unaware of the potential consequences of what they write.
If anything, it just makes them stupid.
OMG. Don’t remind me about Mr_GQ…
Allah have mercy on us all! Thank God, Mr_GQ has been in-active lately. Alhamdulillah!
On a side note: I use to be one of them (for a short while, as was the fad in NY in the late 90s early 2000s), until I grew up and came back to reality, alhamdulillah.
These blog posts are related to the NY Times article. I’m not sure if it’s officially Samir, but it seems to me that they are using this as the back up blog, since his main one is down.
http://worldclash.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/clarifying-a-misconception-from-the-new-york-times-interview/
http://worldclash.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/clarifying-issues-in-the-new-york-times-article/
Danial,
Sure, some Muslims do think this way. I can also head to American Christian sites where they advocate bombing Mecca, ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from the occupied territories.
Some rather popular figures in the American right have called for invasions of the Middle East to convert them all to Christian. This same lady said recently that Jews were defective and that to be made right they all need to convert to Christianity.
This lady sells millions of books in the USA. By using the same rules you do, does this then mean that all Americans support a Christian Crusade in the Middle East and support Anti-Semitic attempts to force all Jews to convert to Christianity.
All groups have nutters, it is just sad that it seems only Islam is the only religion now at days to be judge based completely on their actions.
Just to clarify, as I am one of the moderators on Islamicaweb - these types of people have no “support” from Islamicaweb.com staff or moderators at all so please don’t imply that this is the case. In fact, our terms of service are very clear on this issue.
Furthermore, it is and was made clear by the site admin that any content which advocates the killing of civilians and the like is unacceptable, and that if such content is posted or found, then it should be reported to the moderators or site admin so it can be dealt with in the correct way (editing, deleting, suspension or banning). There have been plenty of people banned from the website because of this, including those mentioned above.
Thanks,
dawood (dezhen)
Just to add, that we moderate on a volunteer basis, and all have jobs/family/study etc. to do so cannot read every single post on the website every single day. This is why the “report post” function is important, and also instills a type of community-based ethic in to the forum.
Sometimes posts slip through the net, as we are all only human. I am sure MR remembers some of the hardcore arguments we had with these type of people back in the day (usually from me and others).
Salaams Tariq
The purpose of religion is to develop our humanity, not the opposite. Any religiosity that leads to this kind of thinking is deeply, deeply flawed.
Allah guide this young man.
Abdur Rahman
[...] the rest of this great post here [...]
Tariq kid, you realize you are spreading lots of rumors like you master Bush. Why don’t you pull an honest effort to try to prove them, esp. that bit about the Mujahidin being thirsty for random blood and raping???
Let every reader be a witness: I offer this kid any amount of money he asks for, and I give him all the time there is in the world as long as he’s alive..to prove his allegations against the Mujahidin.
Such an ignorant coward, what an immature child!!! It makes me happy always that our opponents are only ignoramuses, imposters and morons!!!
Salaam’Alaikum
I’m not trying to excuse his behaviour, but speaking from personal experience, when you are isolated, immature, and inexperienced in life, it’s easy to fall into such abnormal thinking as his. In fact, as a convert, I was so isolated, I didn’t realize not all Muslims were salafi until I went to my first ISNA conference.
Where in the hell are his parents? They need to take their son to a psychiatrist to be evaluated for mental illness and if it’s not that, they need go to a psychologist trained in cult deprogramming and help their son out. They are to blame IMO.
By the way, thank G-d he isn’t black, becuase than I’m sure there would be more black Muslims are crap ya da ya da ya da.
Salaam
What makes him in need for ‘therapy’??? Even Bush said he’d fight the occupation of Iraq if he were Iraqi. Barrak the Zionist said he’d join the Palestinian resistence groups if he were Palestinian!!!
Is spreading the real news and the Islamic views like this brave brother Sameer Khan is doing…an act of crasiness? You all don’t know Islam yet, and never had your own homeland to defend, obviously. Only nutters would read his blog and not agree. And you’re all nutters. There are many like this guy, in the West, and most of Muslims in the Muslim world as well.
http://www.unjustmedia.com
actually, this is the correct url:
http://www.theunjustmedia.com
Hussam
I don’t know if you are supporting the rapes and murders done by the extremists or you are denying that they happened.
If you are denying it, then you haven’t read very much because many Muslims (even other Islamists) have documented the acts of these so-called “mujahideen”. A group of jurists in Algeria ruled that women raped by the so-called “mujahideen” could end their pregnancies. The leaders of these “mujahideen” had ruled that these women were “right hand possessions”
In Algeria, hundreds of young girls were abducted by these criminals and repeated raped and impregnated. After they got finished, they would slit their throats.
Babies and old women have had their throats cut These people even killed 5 year old children and tore open pregnant women’s wombs with meat hooks and dashed the babies against the wall.
The acts of these “mujahideen” are sick and for this young boy to approve of these acts is sick
Is this the “Islam” that you support???
Well maybe if you look deeper in the web you’ll find those testimonies by former Algerian officers who fled Algeria and wrote many books about the Algerian intelligence device’s responsibility in perpetrating these massacres!!!
Just..just use the faculty of reason Allah gave you, okay??? The Front for Islamic Salvation (at least this is the literal translation of its name from Arabic) had won the first round in the elections overwhelmingly, getting some 80% or more of the votes (if my memory is serving me right). Everybody knows the secular francophones cancelled the elections and went after the Islamists in the streets. You want to tell me that the Islamists turned against the PEOPLE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT, and started a stupid series of carnage against those who VOTED FOR THEM????? I was still living in the Arab world when the first images were coming from Algeria!!! Why was it that those who were struck by these massacres were all poor and religous peasants, bearded men and niqabi women in conservative areas??? You have to know that the seculars would do ANYTHING to stay in power, like all their likes all over the world, starting with the American administrations and the corporate elite (which killed the electric car to continue making profits out of the oil industry) or those who killed JFK’s son (who was an independent politician, guaranteed to win popularity and overwhelming support as president),…and the list can never end for the wicked ways of the secular and impious ones to tarnish the image of their political rivals (be them Islamists or Communists or any else).
I will never ever believe a kafir media or that of the apostates in Algeria. Islamically I am not allowed. In a real Islamic court those people’s testimonies would be REJECTED straight up!!! But you are taking your news from them because you don’t know the Islamic rulings well enough.
Of course no sane person would support rape, and there is nothing more detested in Islam or Arab culture than rape. Those men who leave their homes and go to the mountains and sacrifice the comfort of living at home and among their loved ones,..you want to tell me they left all that just to go into the wilderness, then return as beasts raping women and slitting throats?????? What did you leave for the drugaddicts and the drunkards, HUH???? You can’t fool me wit the crap you come to me with. If your brain is full of crap because you are retarded enough to believe the kuffar against the vanguards of the coming Caliphate, then that is yoru problem for which you’ll stand into account before Allah in the Day of Judgement, you and this idiot Tariq!!!!
Pffff, where is the khair in this dunya if the people of Allah are as awful as their ENEMY propagates???? You want to tell me the next Caliphate (which Tariq the coward will NEVER talk about, NEVER EVER) you want to tell me his likes would build it??? We learn about its inevitable emergence from authentic hadith, and what these men are doing in Iraq and Algeria and AFghanistan is following the Prophet’s command to actualize its estabilshment. This is part of our deen, and we won’t leave it until our souls leave our bodies. You just enjoy the only ‘jannah’ you’ll ever know inshallah, here in the West, if you’ll die while on this state of treason to Islam and Muslims.
Those who would have won the elections, then had everything swept away from them, would do everything to prove that they only DESERVE to rule, so they would be nice to the people who voted for them, not go against them and start exterminating them!!!! I have read many many MANY accounts of Algerian agents growing beards and dressing up like the mujahidin then going into remote villages and start butchering the people, while police stations nearby would do nothing as the massacres would continue for hours!!!!!
Shame on you.
I pity you, kids. And I know because I say what you don’t like to believe you’ll just brush it all to the side. But I know and I believe what I’m saying, and I know you people in the West left to feed off the kafir media (whether TV stations or internet websites) will NEVER EVER acquire the truth about what happens in the Muslim world. You want to stay in the West even if the Ka’bah was bombed. You worship the idol called Dunya, you are ignorant of your Deen, you are cowards and liars and imposters, you want us to give up Palestine and not resist the occupation of Iraq, and not stand up for the unity of the Sudan, just so you can continue to watch the naked girls in the streets of America and continue feverishly to pursue the ‘American dream’ (that is under my foot), selfishly and foolishly, worrying only about your own selves and those immediately related to you.
But your likes, O former Christians and Atheists and Jews, will NOT kill our Islamic fervor in us, and our zeal to free our homelands and topple the regimes that your administration is supporting, and which you aren’t doing anything to put a stop to its extermination of so many Muslims everywhere in the world.
If Allah punishes you along with them, trust that even the imams in Makkah and Madinah will not pray for your souls.
I’ve dared the Madkhalis: do you believe in the Mahdi? If yes, what do you say of the hadith that he will conquer ARABIA (apparently from your Saudi masters)? Will you call the Mahdi kharijite then, and a terrorist? Answer you stupid ignorant cowards!!!! Answer you deaf and mute when the Haqq comes!!!! Answer you sell-outs!!!! Answer me, kids!!!!!
TFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I have to agree with Hussam on two points:
1) I think we need to rein in emotional outbursts such as bin Laden supports or promotes rape. Debunking people’s wrong understanding of Islam shouldn’t include wild exaggerations like this. Furthermore, i’ve never heard of the term istihlal al-furooj being used in reference to rape, only when used to justify taking girlfriends in non-Muslim countries. Perhaps someone can clarify?
2) Likewise, using the case of Algeria to pour scorn on extremists doesn’t really mean anything because of the evidence showing that the Algerian security services were heavily involved in carrying out the crimes taking place there. (not to mention the fact that some of the real wackos coming from that country are a product of torture by the Algerian security services, but thats another discussion).
NY, London and Madrid are sufficient enough to condemn and expose the extremists.
In closing, i would like to say that i REALLY liked the way Hussam closed his post, so here goes…
TFOOOOO, TFOOOOO, TFOOOOOOOOOOOOO, TFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I don’t know about you Kashif, but bin laden’s view of the world scares the living daylights out of me. What kind of sick mind would have ever even conceived of ramming planes full of women and children into buildings? I am with Tariq 100% and we should not defend these murderers and rapists for even 1 millisecond. Bin Laden is a deranged and sick man that thinks it is “Islamic” to maim and murder.
Hussam, the FIS came out and condemned the attrocities of the extreme elements that you call “mujahideen”.
Kashif,
I wish that I could agree with you, but my reading of their writings and justifications of killing Muslims
I am calling it rape. They call them ‘ghaneemah’.
I first became familiar with the ‘istihlalul farooj’ arguments from them. The 9/11 hijackers, for example, used this. This is why they were clean shaven and were reported to drink alcohol, gamble and hire prostitutes. They also used the ‘istihlaalul amwaalul mushrikeen’ arguments to justify their credit card fraud. Their ideology also states that a Muslim can eat pork to deceive the enemies. All of this is in their own writings.
They were doing all of this under the guise of “khuda” (deception) and all blessed by Bin Laden himself - who, by the way, praised the actions of the Algerian extremists, so YES, he does endorse what I am calling rape and what he calls “ghaneemah”.
So, let’s review:
Islam (according to them) allows them to:
- Drink Alcohol
- Fornicate
- Gamble
- Steal
- Commit Suicide
- Hijack Airplanes
- Murder thousands of people by running planes into buildings
All in the name of Islam
Bin Laden is the type of person that if he saw an American would not even ask a question, but would cut their head off and crap down their neck.
There is no defense for that type of non-sense
If a Muslim in 1994 (when I accepted Islam) had told me that THIS (rape, murder, etc) is “authentic” Islam, I would not have accepted it.
I reject that “version” of Islam.
It is not Islam at all.
It is not Islam at all.
It is not Islam at all.
No matter what the terror supporters say and hate that I reject their nonsense
Is spreading the real news and the Islamic views like this brave brother Sameer Khan is doing…an act of craziness? You all don’t know Islam yet, and never had your own homeland to defend, obviously. Only nutters would read his blog and not agree. And you’re all nutters. There are many like this guy, in the West, and most of Muslims in the Muslim world as well.
-Hussam Hariri
Brother, you need to GET REAL!
1- Sameer Khan is an AMERICAN, his homeland is AMERICA, therefore, by your logic used in this statement he should be defending AMERICA! Hello? Look at what you wrote???
2-Anyone who harbors suicidal, homicidal, sexually deviant feelings and thoughts, should always be taken seriously. They are dangerous to themselves and to others. Suicidal and homicidal thoughts are BIG RED FLAGS of mental illness.
3- Islam IS NOT AN IDEALOGOY. Repeat: Islam IS NOT AN IDEALOGY. Islam is a religion that concerns it’s self with preserving a life of worship and devotion to Allah, Yal-Quddus. It was sent to preserve worship and devotion, the traditional family, education, and land or wealth. It was not sent to DESTROY. It was sent to BUILD. Muslims need to separate nationalism, tribalism, racism, communism, fascism, and this other crap from our deen. This debate reminds me of the civil rights movement in which some of my people were taught communism and socialism- that became mixed in t with the message for the fight for civil rights. As a result, today, we still have people of all ages, socioeconomic backgrounds
( many who become Muslim and hide behind religion) with a permanent project mentality supported by our own civil rights movement, becuase the message was mixed. My point: Dangerous.
4- These people are teaching an ideology not Islam. These people are spreading psychotic thoughts, tendency and behaviour. It’s a psychosis and I’m shocked that people aren’t getting that.
Hussam, I ain’t got nothing against ya brotha, and guess what? I ain’t trying to hate on this young man Sameer Khan. I’m not out to demonize him or anyone else. I DO have a life. : )
As I stated in my first post, I hold his parents accountable, especially with him living in their home. What happened in his childhood or adolescence that created the loop hole he fell through? What type of foundation did his parents give him? Didn’t they notice any changes? If not, why not? Parenting doesn’t end when your child turns 18, it just changes.
The reason I bring up his background becuase as I stated in my first post, I fell into a cult when I converted to Islam. I converted to Islam a junior in high school, and I did not have a stable, solid upbringing. Abuse and tragedy occurred the entirety of my youth.
I’ve never seen or heard of some one from a good family, be they Muslim or other wise, fall into such cultish thinking.
Just my opinion by the way..
some guy sent me this message on my account in YouTube. Very interesting (though I don’t endorse everything in it):
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“Why don’t you talk about the ONE MILLION IRAQIS the invasion of those running your country CAUSED?? What is 3000 victims of Islamic terror groups compared to over a million Iraqi Muslims victims of American (Zionist Christian) terror, HUH?
You should speak about American terror too!! Or are you afraid to be interrogated by the democratic authorities running your country? Just like they did to the Black guy who founded stopamerica.org one day, they interrogated him, then closed down his website!!!! So much for “freedom of speech”!!
You know how the “blood thirsty Islamists” think? I’ll tell you: Al-Qaeda did what it did in 9/11 because Islam allows revenge killings, but it doesn’t recommend it. It rather calls us to have patience and seek other ways befitting of Islam. But God understands those who would resort to them. There is a Quranic verse about punishing the enemies like they punish us (they killed 20+ millions Muslims since the downfall of the Ottoman state, innocent people those were, so al-Qaeda said it would do the same, you know). They don’t feel for our dead, why should al-Qaeda do? That’s what they’ll say. Go now and refute their logic!!
Likewise, I hope that one day the KKK take over your house, trash you outside, and no legal action can get you your property. Then we’ll see what measures you’ll take, how long it will take you to finally get something done to kick the thieves out of your house, especially if you are reduced to a homeless person or one dwelling in slums (lik the Palestinian refugee camps -just imagine being there for over 50 years, okay?)
Won’t you then resort to everything possible, including maybe killing those who confiscated your house? Imagine yourself in pre-Martin-Luther-King America, pushed to the last seats in a bus, and unable to use certain restaurants and washrooms because of the color of your skin! That’s how we’re treated in Palestine. They took our homes and no one helped us get them back, and no one ever will (this is contrasted with what they did in East Timur, when they forced its breakaway from Indonesia, because the EAst Timurese are Christians, and Indonesia is Muslims, so any plan to break up Muslim lands is back by the UN and the rest of the internation community, and then all troops in their disposal will be mobilized to make sure they break up the Muslim land. Just like they’re doing now in Sudan.
Hamas targetted the conscripted Israelis in their streets, night clubs, malls, everywhere, because every inch of that land is ours, they stole it, and we can’t get them out, so we’ll kill them. They are thieves, and they are cowards and we believe NOT that more than 5 millions Jews live in Israel. Palestinian sources could confirm the flight of more than 1 million in the beginning fo the martyrdom operations, and the rest is only a secret the Israelis are struggling to hide!!! They are trying to populate their empty cities now with fake Indian and Ethiopian and Russian Jews.
Those who are indifferent to our suffering, we will be indiffernet to their suffering too. They terrorized us out of our homes in 1948, you bet your soul we’ll do so now!!
And we won’t succeed in liberating Palestine as long as America is pumping money and sending arms to Israel, and the Arab dictators who guard that entity from the Arab masses that would make it drown by merely spitting on it if they had access to the borders!! No way to topple the Arab dictators as long as America is a “superpower”. We’re exhausting it now in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they are going down for sure, and then their ugly grip on our lands will be loosened, and soon the way will open toward al-Quds as the capital of the coming caliphate like in the hadiths you DON’T KNOW.
I say prepare for the economic downfall of America. Turn your saved dollars into something like gold or whatever, and find yourself a place where you can have a job outside America, because it will be a third-world country SOON, in your lifetime, I assure you.
signed:
the Caliph’s Sword”
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I tell the Caliph’s sword that neither what al-Qaeda is doing nor Hamas will “loosen the grip” on the Muslims in the land of Islam. The peoples must rise up against the dictatorships, and sacrfiice tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to actualize that goal; otherwise, be sure that the Saudi royals and other Arab Gulf sheikhs will pay every fils (penny) they have to keep America standing in the battlefield in Iraq or even Afghanistan!! They are unlimited resources, but we have unlimited pool of over 1 billion Muslims, whom if we raise them well on the realization that the rulers have apostatized and betrayed Islam and the national interests of their peoples, then we’ll succeed in making them mobilize until they rise up in whatever form of revolution you want to imagine. Let it be bloody, for they won’t let us restore our independence from their neo-colonialism easily!! We have to shed our blood like rivers to free ourselves from this prisions the apostates, with the help of their Zionist Jewish and Christian masters, have locked us in for so, so long!! What al-Qaeda is doing is jsut futile.
As salaamu alaikum:
Brother Tariq and others:
Are you surprised? Do you think these so-called “nutters” are a minority?
I would respectfully disagree. (maybe I’m wrong insha’Allah) The views of Samir Khan (inshallah shaheed) seem to shared by many, many, many Muslims, IMHO (Allahu ‘alam). How many posts do you have to delete (that support this kind of ideology) from your blog whenever you say it is Islamically wrong, against the deen, etc., to kill noncombatant kuffar, or to commit these kinds of so-called “operations?” How many times are you called a “murtad,” an apologist for the Crusaders and kuffar, a Muslim “Uncle Tom,” etc., when you condemn these kinds of acts?? How many posts did MuslimMatters have to delete because of the blog entry recently written in support of Shaykh al-Oadah and his article coming out refuting “Shaykh” Osama and his ideology? Do you you know how many forums I’ve been to that go on and on, and on and on, and on and on, about how Muslims can/SHOULD kill, can slaughter, can chop the heads off of ALL noncombatant kuffar????? About how every “terrorist” incident (the “blessed raid” of 911 (as they refer to it), the Madrid bombings, the Bali bombings, and the London bombings, etc., etc. - any so-called “operation” that kills, blows up, maims noncombatant kuffar) are 100%, completely halaal, totally in accordance with the Qur’an and Sunnah of Rasool (saw)????
Akhi, how many brothers (and sisters for that matter) at al-Huda (Dar-as-salaam) totally, completely, “love” bin Laden?? How many brothers (and sisters) at Dar a-Hijra feel the same way?? (and various other masajid in the DC area?)
Brother, if someone, Allah forbid (DISCLAIMER: I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ANY OF THESE UNISLAMIC ACTS) carried out an “operation” at PG plaza, for instance, how many brothers at al-Huda would be going “Alhamdulillah,” “Allahu Akbar,” etc., etc.? (or how many brothers and sisters would be “thinking” this in their hearts, if not verbalizing it?) How many brothers would be writing about the fact that we, as Muslims, should NEVER judge the “mujahadeen,” in their various so-called “operations,” that shame on us TOO EVER say ANYTHING bad about them, or to criticize them in any way, etc., etc., etc.???
How many brothers (and sisters) at Dar al Hijra, would be happy, saying (or thinking) “alhamdulillah,” etc., if someone, Allah forbid, were to carry out an “operation” at Tyson’s mall???
I’m freaking sick and tired of all the brothers and sisters constantly, always defending these kind of despicable, UNISLAMIC (I will possibly be called an “apostate,” an “apologist” for the tawagheet, the Crusaders and zionists, etc.), barbaric acts, twisting, distorting texts from the Qur’an and Sunnah! Talking about how there are no innocent kuffar, and saying how EVERYTHING, PERIOD, done by the so-called as you say “nutters” is GOOD, GREAT, GLORIOUS, PRAISEWORTHY, etc.!!
Are no other brothers (except for a few) not also fed up, frustrated and sick and tired of this majnoon, deplorable “mentality?????”
May Allah guide us ALL
All the brothers (and sisters) that love “Shaykh” Osama so much are being very, very big hypocrites!
“Shaykh” Osama made a fatwa about 10 years ago or so saying that all Muslims should kill ALL Americans that you see, EVERYWHERE, including civilians (noncombatants). If you are a Muslim living in in Amreeka, and love and admire “shaykh” Osama so, so, so much, are you not being a very big, fat hypocrite, or at least a very big coward if you are NOT chopping the head off of every kaafir in Amreeka that you see?????????
“Can’t they put him on punishment or something?
Tariq, i hope the word ‘they’ are means his parents, because if you mean the authorities, you have some serious tawbah to make.
and as for your claims that the brothers who did 9-11 were out rinking and having sex…know that you will be held accountable for each and every letter you write attacking the honor of our brothers, and believing kafir western media’s lies about them
cvbcvb
You feel that what the hijackers did was “Islamic” in running the planes into buildings? You think that these guys are ‘noble’? Even without the reports of womanizing and drinking, do you think that the act they did was good?
If you do, then you truly sicken me
[...] offensive and want to say to all my readers that Islam is far from this thing and join with Tariq Nelson, Esam Omeish, Sameer Parker, Imam Johari Abdul-Malik and other Muslims in condemning these evil [...]
only gullible commoners unaware of the cunning devilish schemes of those secretly controlling the US and the world..would believe stupid reports like the 19 hijackers being womanizers and drinkers.
as for OBL’s “fatwa” on killing americans, i know his alQaeda and Taliban itself issued many warnings for Muslims to leave America cuz of impending attacks. I have received 7 of these warnings in Arabic after subscribing to their email groups or from their forums i follow (like many jouranlists or security agents do, or any curioius soul).
Muslims in America are targets for OBL just like the non-Muslim americans, because to al-Qaeda we pay taxes to this government which is “in war with Islam”.
tariq nelson,
you claim that the ‘terrorists’ today ‘invented’ ‘istihlal farooj’
Notice I put those words in quotes.
First of all, the ‘right hand possession’ that you are talking about is not only found in sunnah, it is found in Qur’an in many many many verses.
I’m not gonna sit here and list them for you. If your ignorance allows you to insult the sahaba and the Messenger of Allah (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) by calling them rapists, and even worse than that, insulting Allah by making haraam what He made halaal, then do as you wish. On the Day of Resurrection you will answer for your filthy insults.
May Allah curse you the remainder of your days.
tariq nelson,
I don’t say I agree with the views of Samir Khan, nor do I claim that I support al-Qaeda or other groups you deem ‘terrorists.’
BUT, these people bring evidence that they claim is from the Qur’an, and many proofs that they claim is from sunnah and the lives of sahabah and tabi’een ( thegeneration after the sahabah), to support their positions. You think that they are just bringing unrelated ‘proofs’ and twisting it to fit their claims, right? But have you even READ what they bring? Even once? Even glanced at it? So how are you so 100% sure that you are completely correct?
Being someone who opposes them so strongly, you should at least take a look at the ‘evidence’ they bring so you can refute it. Otherwise, how are you so strongly against them? Simply because your whims and desires and ‘high sense of morals’ tell you that you are right and they are wrong? This is not logic. As someone who claims to be a Muslim, you must be fair. If you say they are wrong 100%, and they say that they are trying their best to follow sunnah, there must be a problem. Check their evidences, and see if they are authentic first (not just made up verses, or made up hadith), then see if it fits. If they are making up verses, and bringing in hadith that has nothing to do with what they are doing, then you know they are simply liars. And then you will have a reason to be strongly against them and you will be doing justice, and you will be sure of your position, which will then be based on knowledge and logic, instead of baseless hate and assumptions.
But to simply hate their guts and claim that ‘this is not Islam, this is not Islam, this is not Islam’ without even taking a glance at their position? If someone were to tell you that Prophet Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) did such and such, and this person claims to have authentic narrations that it did occur, will you immediately say “no way, I will never believe you” or will you at least look at his evidence?
So I would urge you to at least study your own religion. These people claim they have support from Allah for everything they do, but where do they come off making such a claim? They bring pages of verses and hadith and quotes from sahabah and early scholars. How come you don’t bother to even look at it? Are you afraid it *might* make sense? Are you afraid of the Truth? Are you afraid you might be ‘brain-washed’ like Samir Khan? Are you afraid that when you see a verse in the Qur’an and it is perfectly clear, you will have to decide whether to follow your desires or Allah’s command?
If you aren’t afraid of any of that, then there is nothing stopping you from seeing what they bring forth. If you are so completely certain that they are criminals and liars with absolutely no proof or support from Qur’an and sunnah for what they are doing, then you should have no problem whatsoever refuting their ‘proofs.’
Anyway, I hope you will think about this comment, and ponder. And if you don’t, it will then be a witness against you on the Day of Judgement because the message has reached you. I don’t claim these ‘terrorists’ are correct. I just say, be just. If you are so sure they are wrong, then read their bogus and phony proofs. Then when someone asks you WHY you hate them so much, you don’t simply reply “cuz theyr’e rapists man!!!” You will be able to reply “because they claim A, B, C, and D. And none of these are from Qur’an and sunnah because I researched it myself and the scholars said such-and-such and the sahabah did such-and-such and Prophet Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) never accepted such-and-such.”
I leave you with some verses of the Qur’an, because I don’t know if you have ever read and pondered over these verses, and searched for the tafsir (explanation, commentary) of such verses by the sahabah (such as Ibn ‘Abbas, Abu Hurairah, ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, ‘Aisha, etc. [May Allah be pleased with them all]) and the tabi’een (Such as Mujahid, the student of ibn ‘Abbas), and the scholars in the early generations of Islam till the present.
If you will tell me that you don’t look for their explanations, and you instead look for ‘modern interpretation’ of the Qur’an, then you are claiming that Islam changes with time, and a new explanation must be given. Why, then, do we still call Jannah ‘Jannah’? Kind of old-fashioned, don’t you think? A garden? Come on, where are the computers and high-tech robots serving us, and the skyscrapers and etc.etc.?
Also, disregarding the past scholars’ opinions and instead taking the opinions of today’s many, many, many “scholars” is not correct. Prophet Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) warned us not to do this. Be careful. Many of the sahabah were promised Jannah. They were on the right track, and Prophet Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) vouched for them. Their understanding of Islam was the true understanding, and whoever claims to follow a different interpretation, we must ask him “and where did you find such an interpretation? Your desires, or the shaytan?”
So here are some verses, I urge you to look at them. If you ignore them, that is your choice. But don’t be like the kuffar of Prophet Nuh’s (alayhissalam) time, when they would put their fingers in their ears and cover their faces with their clothes, as a sign of rudeness and to avoid hearing the Message. They will not be able to tell Allah (on the Last Day) “O Allah! We never heard the Message! If we heard it, we surely would’ve believed, and abandoned our false ways!”
So if you delete this or ignore it, you will not be able to tell Allah, “O Allah! I was misguided and I was a traitor to my Ummah, but only because the Truth never reached me! Forgive me and accept my repentance [now, when it's too late.]” If the Truth reaches you, and you refuse to look at it, then it has reached you, and you will be held accountable for it.
2:190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
2:194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.
2:216. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
4:74. Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
4:75. And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!”
4:76. Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.
4:77. Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared Allah. They said: “Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?” Say: “Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!
4:84. Then fight in Allah.s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.
4:89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
4:91. Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.
4:104. And slacken not in following up the enemy: If ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships; but ye have Hope from Allah, while they have none. And Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
8:12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
8:15. O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them.
8:16. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
8:39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
8:60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
8:65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
8:67. It is not fitting for an apostle that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.
8:69. But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
9:14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
9:20. Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in Allah.s cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah. they are the people who will achieve (salvation).
9:24. Say: If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving (jihad) in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious.
9:29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
As you can see, I’ve only reached verse 29 of Chapter 9. The Qur’an has 114 chapters. I can go on but you can do the research yourself, if you want to. Plus, I didn’t mention all the verses in the above surahs anyway. This is the Book you claim to follow, and the religion you claim to follow. So do you believe in ALL of it, or just some? Allah says:
2:85 ……Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
Be careful.
And finally I will say that you are calling Samir Khan a ‘nutter.’ Don’t you know that Prophet Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) told us that a Muslim has rights over his brothers? One of his rights is that his brothers protect and defend his honor, wealth, and blood. So, as long as a person is still in the fold of Islam, you mustn’t insult him and attempt to ridicule him. If you believe his beliefs are bogus, and you believe that he is misguiding others (with a website or he gives talks or lessons, etc.) then you may publicly expose him, if he refuses to take private advice. The way you expose someone is to present his claim and then refute it with Qur’an and sunnah. As a Muslim, that is what you refer to. If you cannot find anything in Qur’an and sunnah that is against what the brother is saying, and you are unable to refute his claims, then fear Allah and don’t attempt to insult your brother for no reason other than a hunch based on assumptions and news reports of the kuffar!!
If a person’s beliefs or claims leads him out of the fold of Islam, then he is a kaafir even if he still claims to be Muslim, and still prays and fasts. For example, if a person that prays and fasts and makes Hajj has a belief that Prophet Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) is not the final Messenger of Allah, then he is not a Muslim. That is because to believe that Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) is the final Messenger is a condition of faith. To believe that there can be messengers after him, or prophets, is kufr.
Another example, to disbelieve in Qadaa’ and Qadar (fate and predestination), which are conditions of faith, is kufr. Even if the person still claims to be Muslim.
So you see, even if you consider the brother extremely misguided, and EVEN if you have proof (from Qur’an and sunnah) that he is misguided and not on the correct path, you must still not dishonor and ridicule him as long as he remains within the folds of Islam! That is his right on you, you aren’t doing him any favors! You will be questioned about it on the Day of Accounting.
Now, you will tell me “then why did you make dua against me in your previous post?”
To that I reply: I saw your comments about ‘istihlaal farooj’ which were outrageous and made no sense, and were exaggerations. And you later said that ‘they’ claim that it is ‘ghaneemah’ (war booty). Then you said: “I am calling it rape. They call them ‘ghaneemah’.”
You later said: “I reject that “version” of Islam. It is not Islam at all, It is not Islam at all, It is not Islam at all.”
To ‘reject’ means to disbelieve. So I admit that I acted too hastily and assumed that you had said that if there is such a thing as this ‘rape’ that you speak of, in Islam, then you reject it. In this case, then that is a clear statement of kufr, because slaves are included in ghaneemah and the owner of the slave may sleep with his slave. This is called ‘right-hand possession’ and Allah mentions it in His Book many, many times. So I assumed that you said that you reject this idea in totality. If this is the case, then you have exited Islam.
Assuming that, (too hastily), I made dua against you because the proof has obviously reached you (which is the ‘ghaneemah’ explanation you mentioned) and you still rejected it. And you are spreading that opinion on your blog like some kind of scholar, though you have not mentioned a SINGLE verse or hadith or a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g to back your claims. Weird.
Now, I ask Allah to guide you so that your readers may also be guided if you change your views, and give justice a chance.
Furthermore, you said: “If a Muslim in 1994 (when I accepted Islam) had told me that THIS (rape, murder, etc) is “authentic” Islam, I would not have accepted it.”
To say this implies that you didn’t accept Islam because you were 100% convinced that it is the absolute Truth from your Lord. That statement you made implies that you accepted Islam because what you understood about it fit nicely with your ‘morals’ and desires and whims. The statement also implies that if you were told that some parts of Islam was actually against your ‘high standard of morals’ and your supreme intellect and desires, you surely wouldn’t have accepted it. If this is the case, then I urge you to reconsider whether you actually ever accepted Islam or not. ‘Islam,’ as you know, means ’submission [to Allah's command].’ So for a person to enter Islam, I would assume he is sure that this is the true religion from your Lord and Creator. If this person [who is entering Islam] is convinced that the Qur’an is the Word of Allah, and Muhammad (sallaAllahu ‘alayhi wassalam) is truly the Final Messenger of Allah, then he will be willing to accept every word, nay, every letter in the Qur’an. And surely he won’t criticize authentic sunnah. If he does so, then we wonder “does he truly believe, or is he simply following his desires?”
To believe in some of the religion and disbelieve in some will not count for anything on the Day of Regret. Who will be able to say (on that Day) “O Allah, I believed in some of Your Book, but the rest was sort of barbaric and backwards, you know? I live in the 21st century, so I did what was logical and I left the stupid stuff. I’m sure you can give me some reward, right?”
Either you accept that this Book is the Word of Allah, or you don’t. To join a religion simply because it has nice rules or you met some nice Muslims, is that logic? If you joined Islam because you were certain that it is the Truth from your Lord, then how can you tell your Lord “I can only believe in some of your Commands, the rest are simply below my standard of morality.”
Don’t you know that it is Allah, Lord of the Worlds, who created you and set the standards of morality?
You claim that if Islam is what these ‘terrorists’ think it is, then you want no part in it, and you claim that it is not Islam, etc. Because you are so certain, you should have no problem refuting all their proofs immediately, in a logical and Islamic way. I’m sure many of your readers would enjoy reading such a refutation, and they would benefit and learn a lot, don’t you think?
This comment has gotten quite lengthy. If you wish to read it, all praise is due to Allah. If you wish to disregard it, all praise is due to Allah. If you wish to quickly delete it so your readers cannot see the Truth, Allah guides whom He wills. Remember, every word we speak is recorded, and we will face it on the Day when children become gray-headed, and mankind will appear as if in a drunken riot, yet they will not be drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah.
So when you make a blog posting, make sure you have evidence from Qur’an and sunnah, or else you will be asked on the Last Day why you said it, and what authority did you have to say such things?
May Allah guide you and make this blog a source of Truth, justice, and guidance for Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Any good you find in this comment is from Allah, and mistakes are from myself.
Tariq,
Quite a few supporters of the young nut case.
This tacit or verbalized support exists in just about every western/eastern nation to a large degree.
Do you wonder why many look askance at Islam and how it is interpreted today?
If many ‘define’ themselves in this manner and in their own words is it Islamophobic to point this out?
Even many self defined ‘moderates’ call you to task on very basic human rights issues.
Oh well….
@ patb
I categorically reject this young nut case’s bloody “interpretation” of Islam that calls on each and every Muslim to slay those who are not Muslim and for the Muslims to be at perpetual war with the rest of the world. Because people like this exist, I can understand why reasonable people wonder if there are murders hiding in our midst. Trust me, we are doing all we can to root out this evil
Tariq,
I know you do.
I’ve too many Muslim friends to paint with a broad brush but am not naive and know that a problem of consequence exists and must be dealt with.
If it were just independant ‘nutters’ we could deal with that but there are well established and monied ’sectors of belief’ that propagate a very rigid/extreme line that lends itself readily either thru interpretation or direct verbage to support violence.
That is my primary concern.
Loons, nuts etc. exist in all faiths, in all cultures, everywhere. The hard line interpreters of your faith give the disenfranchised a soft nest of religious down to surround themselves with. A virtual ‘license to kill’ in support of the faith and God. I can imagine that to be a very heady and self fullfilling support group for those that desire to express themselves violently.
I do appreciate the discourse here though, and the many like minded Muslims that see the inequity portrayed by this young American, and other, loons.
Guys like this boy in North Carolina approved of the rapes and murder of prepubesent children in Chechnya. He is a really really vile person
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/tm_objectid=14605550&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=they-knifed-babies–they-raped-girls-name_page.html